The University of Life
The University of Life podcast has become my personal collection of fascinating learnings from the people I meet and experiences I have as I explore life and journey deeper in to the space of business mentoring & life coaching.
The University of Life
The University of Life & Hania Opienski
Meet Hania, a holistic practitioner who blends Traditional Chinese Medicine, energy healing, naturopathy, and Ayurveda to help her clients build intuitive well-being and reclaim control of their health.
Hania brings a unique perspective that embraces the deep connections between mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical health, offering solutions that address root causes for lasting transformation.
This episode serves as a powerful reminder that rest, lifestyle changes, and balance are vital to overcoming stress-related health challenges.
We also dive into the influence of environment on well-being—from the frenetic energy of city life to the calming stillness of the countryside—and how factors like electromagnetic fields and urban density can impact your health.
Hania introduces us to energy frequency cards, vibrational healing, and sacred geometry, showing how these tools can transform your home into a sanctuary that nurtures your health and well-being.
If you’re seeking a deeper connection between your environment, community, and overall health, this episode will offer fresh insights and practical advice.
If ever you'd like to connect, please don't hesitate to connect via my website www.jamiewhite.com.
I am always open to feedback, reflections, guest / subject recommendations and anything else that might come up.
Thank you for listening, Jamie x
Hania. Can I start a little bit abruptly? Sure, If I was to ask you what your kind of real bone of contention or area of frustration with the current, let's say, medical setup, what would come up for you?
Speaker 2:I guess it's the trust in an outside entity or individual to have the answers and to be the one that you know fixes. And I see that it can be very disempowering and there's a lot of yeah believing that your health and well-being is in someone else's hands and that you need you know. You don't know, you don't know what you're, what's going on for you or what your body needs, and that someone else needs to give you the answers, and what they say is what you should follow, even if it doesn't necessarily feel completely right, um, and I think that's that kind of idea of, or that uh, system of, you know, giving your, um, the power of your, your health and your autonomy to someone else. Yeah, that's disempowering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember when I was in hospital and a doctor came in and very quickly kind of looked me over and then prescribed this, I was like, excuse me, and it was so interesting the attitude in the room was how dare you question the doctor? And also that the doctor doesn't have time to deal with your questions. He had to kind of go to the next person. I remember feeling like I don't want to engage with this. This doesn't feel helpful and like with the time and attention and the care that I got it, everything inside me was like you've only got literally a moment of this person's attention and he feels like he's pretty stressed. Chances are that it wasn't sensitive, perhaps to your needs.
Speaker 1:So can I ask what's your approach?
Speaker 2:Well, I guess I really feel that, yeah, I want to empower people to take responsibility for their own healing and to really help people understand. So you know, I have kind of various frames of reference. You know, I initially studied traditional Chinese medicine and various forms of energy medicine, and then naturopathy, which is Western natural medicine. So I kind of have, you know, a few different viewpoints which kind of give me, and also personally, not in any qualifications, but Ayurveda. So, again, you know traditional Asian medicine and, yeah, and I guess that you know all of these, particularly the Asian and the energy medicine.
Speaker 2:But all of these systems are really looking at how, you know, we are multidimensional beings. You know that there's, you know, an interaction and a correlation between your mental, emotional, spiritual health with your physical health. It's not the kind of cartesian view that is like if you have a problem with your knee, you deal with your knee. You know, in chinese medicine it's like if you have a problem with your knee, you know you look at, well, what's happening with your kidneys, what's happening with the rest of your bones, how are you feeling? How you know what you, you know what activity are you doing? You know it looks at.
Speaker 2:You know not just that part of the body or not just the physical body, but also you know what's going on internally, what's going on in your environment and and you know and chi, you know the energetic level, and so I feel like having this approach that is really like you know, a whole person approach and also the whole person in their context, is really helpful for actually then seeing, okay, what's out of balance and helping that person understand well why this is happening and how it's not just you know, I'm not just going to give you something for that one particular complaint in one particular area, but to kind of pull back and see the bigger picture. And yes, it's a bit more work for an individual because it's not like here's just a natural solution and you can keep doing exactly what you're doing and just take this one thing, but actually the invitation to go well, let's look more broadly at why this is happening and what else is out of balance, and then you're going to get a holistic improvement as well.
Speaker 1:As you know, I want to deal with whatever the key complaint is, but it's a very different approach I kind of get the impression, when you like, segment something, yeah, it's very easy to say, oh well, this is what's wrong and this is what needs to be done. But yeah, when you zoom out and look at something in an all-encompassing, holistic fashion, things get much more complicated, things get much more intertwined. So, of course, the kind of conventional approach is here let's, let's simplify this, um. But what I'm kind of getting the impression from you is, yeah, you're like look, we can do these things simply and they'll work to a point and then they don't, whereas really we're interconnected beings and you have to look at somebody in their totality and and although that might be a little bit more complicated.
Speaker 1:And it might be a little bit more complicated and it might be a little bit slower. Ultimately speaking, that approach is going to stand to somebody a hell of a lot longer and better.
Speaker 2:And it's not necessarily slower, I mean it can be, but it can be like sometimes, like I find like working with energy medicine, when you, you know, by the time something has reached the physical body, it's had to kind of filter through all of these subtle levels.
Speaker 2:And so if you're trying to change something at the physical level, you're right, that is slow.
Speaker 2:And if you're doing it slowly, like, rather than doing like a you know a procedure that is going to, you know, physically change something, if you're getting someone to change their diet or their movement or to actually make a physical change, yes, that is going to take longer if you do it by natural means.
Speaker 2:But if you're actually working at the subtle level, sometimes you can change something at a mental or emotional level and then that just shifts, you know, the physical just shifts naturally, like you know, you clear, you know an emotional pattern that is creating tension in the body and so there's pain and there's tension, and maybe tension to the point that some kind of like bones are slightly out of alignment.
Speaker 2:And when you actually release that emotional tension, the body just naturally falls back into alignment. So it happens much more quickly than if you were addressing that with kind of physical manipulation which might be. You know, you do it once and you can kind of put the body back, but then a few days later the body goes back to that holding pattern because that emotional tension is still there, pulling those bones out of place again, and you have to do a whole series of treatment over a period of time for the muscles to change, whereas if you just like help that person clear the emotion, the body just naturally goes back into alignment. And that can happen, you know, in a session I have to say two things.
Speaker 1:There's a bridging kind of phrase that you use so often, which is you know, and it's like you're actually going through some pretty complicated stuff, but I love it. But what I'm kind of getting the impression of is that okay. So conventional approach is that let's say somebody has an ache in their body. They'll go to a physio and they'll barely even open up to the physio. Actually, the whole treatment might be borderline, silent, but what they will say is look, I've got an ache in my knee and the physio will go to work on that and perhaps there's some relief momentarily, but a couple of days later it's back and it's tight, whereas the kind of process you're talking about is much more engaged.
Speaker 1:Let's say, where you're working with the person as a whole and you're asking them hey, look, what's going on in your life, what's coming up? And you're looking for much more than, say, a particular trauma that happened to the knee, but perhaps like what might have them putting pressure on their knee, what might be out of sync in their life that might be leading to that. And yes, there might be some hands-on manipulation as part of your work, but you're also engaging somebody to look at themselves, observe themselves and see what perhaps they're doing that's working for them, and perhaps what they're doing or engaging with them might not be serving them. And you're helping them almost cop on essentially a little bit and work with themselves that bit better, so you're engaging with them in a much more all-encompassing fashion. Would that be fair to?
Speaker 2:say yeah, yeah, and I mean I think you know when I you know work with acupuncture, which I do much less than yes, that you know there is, like you said, you might do something you know physically. Like someone has knee pain, I will needle around their knee to help with relieving the inflammation and the pain in the area. But I will also be looking systemically and doing some other needles, which is for you know the root cause, which might be something completely different than what's where you know where it's manifesting physically. But I also find that I've really moved away a lot from the more you know physical work. So now when I use Chinese medicine, it's more often to help people understand the connections with their sleep and the way that they think and their digestion and what's going on in their muscles or whatever the sort of intersection might be. And using more, like I talked about, energy medicine, using the subtle, helping them to release things on an emotional, energetic level and so the body can naturally come into alignment.
Speaker 2:So then I'm you know I wouldn't be doing any physical manipulation, but they may have physical changes as their body kind of naturally finds its alignment again can I poke back and forth with you on this little sure, okay?
Speaker 1:so I'm a big believer that, like, our bodies talk to us and, unfortunately, its finds its alignment again.
Speaker 1:Can I poke back and forth with you on this a little bit?
Speaker 1:Sure, okay, so I'm a big believer that, like, our bodies talk to us and unfortunately, it's language is, generally speaking, pain, yeah, and so if we make this practical, I'd love to like make it practical in my sense.
Speaker 1:My right knee has been aching for the best part of, let's say, eight months and I've gone to so many different healers about it and all sorts of different manipulators and, my god, the screams of pain that have come from this knee.
Speaker 1:But more recently, what I'm kind of looking at a little little bit more holistically and I'm recognizing that, like, my right hand side is my masculine side and my right knee is, let's say, indicative of, like, the support and the environment that I'm creating for myself. And and when I like feel into my knee and when I think to myself and I'm like what's actually triggering this, it's like Jamie, step up all the more as a man, provide for yourself better. And it sounds a bit odd, but I'm like that's when I really tune into myself and I feel that. So over the last couple of months I've been like right, okay, step into, um, step into that all the more and let's start making more constructive decisions in life, more protective decisions in life and uh, and let's be a little bit more ambitious. And what I'm noticing and look, this is so much inside myself but I'm interested to bounce this off you what I'm noticing is, having done so much physical work on this for let's say the best part of the first five months.
Speaker 1:Almighty nothing has shifted but that connection point, let's say three months ago. And then, like the subsequent moves that I've been making, little by little, this ache is going down so what would come up in you in terms of what, as I share that like? What would you think would that be like, appropriate to the kind of philosophy and approach you take? Or am I just a little bit bonkers?
Speaker 2:No, I mean, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2:You know, as you say, the body gives you signs that something is out of balance and often pain is one of the you know, the biggest things that actually gets people to stop and take notice. And you know, knees in Chinese medicine can also be about choosing your direction. And you know, if you're yeah, are you moving in the right direction? Are you able to move forward? How are you moving forward?
Speaker 2:So, you know, that kind of fits with what you've been talking about as well pains in particular areas and then as they kind of get clear on things that are going on in their life that perhaps are, you know, maybe there's, um, you know, frustration or kind of like being not being in the right direction, uh, and that is kind of somatizing and sort of manifesting somewhere in the body. And as they kind of actually start really connecting with the direction that they want to go and feeling creative and feeling flow, and that sort of restriction or frustration lessens, then that can then be something that will certainly help with releasing those physical symptoms would you see this really because, but I know to say in my work- yeah I notice such obvious patterns play out when people come to me and they're like I'm struggling in this area in my business and I'm like, well, it's really obviously this, this and this and you can, you can kick things into gear so quickly.
Speaker 1:I'm wondering, like what are the obvious patterns that you see so often in your work?
Speaker 2:oh, okay, um, yeah, I mean it's, I think it's, it's quite easy in terms of, uh, seeing you know the chinese medicine uh, interactions between, like you know, a lot of the types of people that I work with. You know, stress and burnout is one of the kind of key areas that I, yeah, that you know, clients that I would see, and certainly there's a kind of a way of thinking and a way of pushing oneself that then has an impact and creates certain physical symptoms. And so you know, when someone is talking about you know they're talking about certain complaints. You can see, like in Chinese medicine, stress tends to affect kind of two of the key systems in the body. One is the earth element, which is spleen, stomach, pancreas, so digestion and absorption and assimilation of nutrients, and then the other is the wood element, which is the liver and gall bladder, and so definitely, and the liver and gall bladder also and the wood element, they are in control of the sinews and tendons and so people who tend to stress, that then puts them into, you know, there's often then a lot of physical tension and particularly, like where the channels run, like across the sides of the neck and shoulders. So people who have stress and you know they're kind of, you know, putting their wood element out of balance.
Speaker 2:There'll be people who will have migraines or tension headaches or one-sided headaches, and and they'll tend to be people that are, you know, very kind of maybe type A personalities or driven, or they really push themselves and they kind of you know they want to work really hard and then you know they work hard but then they hold a lot of tension.
Speaker 2:And so you're kind of seeing the correlation. Or the other type of people who are working really hard but they tend to kind of overthink and kind of go over. You know they can't necessarily. They stress, they worry, they don't digest their thoughts and their emotions, and then they will probably have, you know, bloating and digestive issues, maybe IBS, alongside their stress. And so you're kind of seeing the correlation with the sort of Chinese medicine patterns and the way that they're thinking and applying themselves in their work and then how that's physically manifesting. And then I can see, okay, well, if I know those things are happening, they're probably going to have these other symptoms that are signs of this earth imbalance or this wood imbalance. And so I'll say, oh, do you sleep like this or do you have these other symptoms and generally there will be those correlations.
Speaker 2:And so then you kind of educate people okay, well, these are foods or habits that are gonna make this pattern worse and these are foods and habits that are actually gonna reduce that. Or these are signs and symptoms that can tell you, oh, I'm overdoing it. Because people will tend to have an area of weakness. And so it's like if it is that you know the earth element, so they know when they're working too hard or they're too stressed, they're going to start getting sort of bloating and digestive issues. They're going to have sugar cravings.
Speaker 2:And so you know you say to them look, if you know that you have like a really challenging period in work, you know this is the time when you need to really take time to sit down to eat and, like you know, eat regularly, don't overdo the sugar. You know, take time to sit down to eat and, like you know, eat regularly, don't overdo the sugar. You know those things that are going to support, you know their earth element. So they can then go ah, I can see, you know this is how I can support myself, or these are the signs that I'm going into, that you know my system's just going to kind of crash if I keep along this path. So does that answer?
Speaker 1:Well you've actually you've just opened up such a world of curiosity for me because I think my journey of burnout I can understand quite a lot now. So I used to run lots of nightclubs and at the same time simultaneously a youth-focused marketing agency. So one business kind of ran from 9 am to about 8 pm and the other one ran from about 10 am to 4 or 5 pm Sorry, 4 or 5 am, it was bonkers hours. We did really well for a certain amount of time, but after a while it was quite almost a comedy show, if I can reflect back and observe myself.
Speaker 1:But I noticed almost I can reflect back and observe myself, but I noticed almost, um, like I pretty much got chronic diarrhea. I, whatever I eat, ate came straight out of me and obviously then my energy started to really go and I thought it was food sensitivities. So I started going so like, so tight on my diet and like like, going like crazy, like I'm gonna eat the healthiest foods and I'm gonna eat green juices and like salads and all of this and actually that made it worse. Symptoms got worse and and then, interestingly enough, like when you talked about gallbladder, I recognize that when your gallbladder is out of sync you become indecisive exactly and when your liver is out of sorts, all sort of allergies come up.
Speaker 1:So I never suffered allergies and suddenly I was getting all these allergies and I was, generally speaking, pretty decisive. But then I was struggling over like jesus it'll take me 40 minutes to figure out where I go for lunch, to the point that lunch time was over and no lunch, like bonkers, yeah. And then, as my gut got worse, I was amazed that, like my short-term memory kind of went, and here's the thing that I think is so fascinating. So I went on this mad buzz of like go to every doctor I could find, do every diet I could find, and in actual fact, what I recognized is that pretty much everything I was doing was making it worse and the very obvious thing that I should have done is just taking a holiday. But in actual fact, what I, what a lot of what I was doing was just coping mechanisms for, like, jay, you're doing way too much work and you've no rest time in any of this. Like you need to reorientate your life. Nobody said that to me, wow.
Speaker 1:And and I wrestled on my diet and wrestled on with all these like like a supplement cupboard that was like two suitcases full of stuff and spending fortunes and and it all actually went away pretty much around COVID when you were forced to stop forced to stop, yeah, yeah, forced to stop.
Speaker 1:And and what we I was, I was, I was. I was in the company of somebody that was fantastic in terms of just making me laugh, and I remember I was like, like, because COVID allowed for just taking time off, I remember sitting having a burger, which I'd never eat a burger, like never eat a burger, never eat a bun, never eat the grease and anything like that.
Speaker 1:And I was having the burger, laughing my ass off and I was like, oh my god, I don't have my allergies. I actually, like, can hold food in. I don't feel bloated. And it was quite incredible for me because I think most people go to when there is an ailment is their diet, and there's so much emphasis put on diet but in actual fact, the biggest one for me was my environment and the work. And I'm curious just why, like it's almost like a don't go there subject when it comes to burnout, like everybody's feeling the symptoms but nobody wants to say, just take a holiday, take a big break or perhaps consider a different career.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I think you know that's something that I certainly have had to kind of support people with is like recognizing you know, you again, I, you know, I don't want to take it's not my, I don't believe that it's my role to sort of say you're in the wrong job, you need to change, but to actually help them, help someone recognize the impact of the job that they're in and the lifestyle choice and the style that they work in, and then you know if they can actually see, okay, well, doing things the way that I've been doing them is, you know these are the causative factors for my state of health. And then you know, once you understand that, then you know you have a choice and it's like well, can I actually adapt how I am working, you know, in the same role, in the same context, or is it that actually I realize that my health is not sustainable to continue working in this way? And then you have to decide, okay, but it's like it's kind of helping people recognize in this way. And then you have to decide, okay, but it's like it's kind of helping people recognize, and then they can make that choice of like, okay, do I do? They want my support to make changes that are going to support them, to actually do, you know, this job, this career, whatever it is, whilst actually being more conscious of the impact on their body and maybe having better boundaries or changing you know their lifestyle habits.
Speaker 2:And yes, sometimes there is a need to change dietary stuff, but it's you know, it's more about how you eat and how you absorb and how you know what you're doing while you're eating, Like are you rushing, are you thinking, are you busy, are you working or are you actually allowing your body to kind of go into parasympathetic rest and digest state so that you can actually be absorbing what you're eating or recognizing if you're eating something that doesn't agree with you?
Speaker 1:so yeah, so the thing that's coming. I'm like I think food just gets way too much focus and attention. And here's my thing right, you're london-based, right so if I spend a week in london, day one and two I notice nothing, but by day seven I'm not sleeping at night I'm highly irritable, highly anxious. Allergies are like crazy and any like stomach upsets or stomach issues. They're all kicking back and everything like that. And then when I just pull myself out of London and say go to the countryside, everything's back again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now in London. What might prolong it is like, say, a sensitivity of diet and if I do yoga, so like these will just about give me a bit of breathing space, but if I stay two weeks they don't, Whereas if I go to the countryside I don't need any of that. I can eat trash, and that's very striking for me and I'm like, I'm curious of like, yeah, what your perspective is in terms of like environment. I think it's the biggest of the lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's huge and I think it's something that people don't really give enough weight to. And you, you know I was thinking about you talking about when you go to London, and I certainly know that for myself and luckily I live in a kind of leafy suburb that's kind of quiet and not too busy and not too city, so it's manageable. I don't think I could live in central London and even that sometimes, you know, can be too much. So I do a lot with my home environment to kind of create a supportive space. Yeah, but yeah, there's so many factors.
Speaker 2:It's like you know there's a lot of electromagnetic and geopathic stress and you know the sort of intensity and concentration of, like being around so many different devices and machines and smart meters and you know 4G, 5g, whatever.
Speaker 2:You know that actually has a huge impact on the physical body, whereas when you're in a more natural environment, you know you're then able to actually be in, you know, in resonance with the earth or with you know, like why it's so relaxing being around water.
Speaker 2:It's like you know the frequency that the human body normally vibrates at and that of you know the earth or water is very similar, whereas most of you know, electrical equipment is something like, you know, sort of four or five times higher, and so that means there's a real mismatch. When you're in a kind of, you know, a man-made, artificial environment that it's like it literally is jarring to your system and that then can affect your immune system and you know, and that's going to affect, um, you know, and also that kind of jarring to the nervous system, of course that affects your sleep. So it's like this is all kind of happening in the background and then you have, um, you know, there's also evidence of how the impact of like what you know, you see, how that affects your brain. And so when we see fractals which are like when you look up through, you know, a tree canopy and you have all these kind of crisscrossy, you know, and that just feels relaxing, it's like that is relaxing to your brain, you know.
Speaker 2:Or when you see curves, like, if you think about, in nature there's not really so many straight lines, most things are kind of curvy, yeah and you, you know, and there's also, you know, natural colours, like you know, greens and yellows, and it's, you know it's very different to the visual field, whereas when you're in a man-made environment you have, you know, straight lines, you have boxes, and there's also generally sort of neutral colours, or there's greys or there's whites, and you know, and you have artificial light which, again, that impacts the brain and changes how stimulating which parts of the brain is stimulated, whereas natural light and the yellow light and the changing of early morning low level light, when that hits the eye from low level, versus when you have light from above, that impacts the brain and which hormones you make and so that impacts your sleep.
Speaker 2:So there's, like so many factors, air quality, pollution, and then other people, the density of people and, like you're saying, in London it has a different pace. People are stressed, people are rushing, they're busy, they're, you know they're short tempered, you know you're in their way, they're trying to get somewhere, whereas in the countryside there isn't that density of people and people are more relaxed. People are more likely to say hi if they walk by, rather than just wish that you weren't in their way, like they might in a city, and all of that has an impact on our nervous systems, on our immune system, on all different levels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I find country, country, living for all those stimulating kind of areas that you've noted, it charges you up, it fills you up energetically and I find in those environments I make much better decisions for myself. I operate at just a whole different caliber, whereas when I'm in cities and again like yeah, that close proximity, that density, that unstimulating that close proximity, that density, that unstimulating, let's say, that toxicness of pollution and not just the obvious, of exhaust but Wi-Fi, for me it's a lot, it drains me and I find that it almost puts this, let's say this panic or this stress into me and I find myself doing really stupid things and I know if I told this to myself 10 years ago, myself 10 years ago, would have probably like slapped me in the face and give me a wedgie and be like Jay, what's wrong with you here?
Speaker 1:But I I'm always reminded of that kind of saying that you don't know what you don't know. And I really I remember the trigger point again was in COVID, when all the buildings stopped and all the commuting stopped and there was silence in the air. Like I, when I'm in living in dublin, I have a home in the city center and in covid there was this unbelievable silence. And then there was birds and there was such clean air, there's such quiet and calm throughout. But I remember experiencing that and I think that was a huge contributing factor to just any ailments that I had going. But then in Ireland they were like we'll give permission for the builders to come back again and it was at that moment that the building came in. I was like oof, I need to go, and I haven't been able to settle in that same environment since. Hence the idea of like you don't know what you don't know, and actually environment since.
Speaker 1:Hence the idea of like you don't know what you don't know, yeah, and actually I think we as humans were unbelievable at reorientating ourselves, to be resilient, to put up with stressors yeah but what I find is that, like if so much of my energy is focused on, let's say, putting up with those stressors, that's not there to help me look after myself, to help me make better decisions, to help me grow and expand it's it's taken up by just putting up with the environment and I think unfortunately, speaking for so many, I believe that so much of the potential is unfortunately being wasted just putting up with their environment, rather than actually being fueled by their environment and all that energy getting to go to their creativity or to their peace of mind.
Speaker 1:That's my kind of projection or, sorry, my kind of belief. But how does that kind of resonate with yourself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, and I mean you know you can explain some of that actually on a physiological level, like you know if, when you are in that state of stress that you talked about, you know that actually, you know changes. You know we have the autonomic nervous system, which is most people are more familiar with. You know fight or flight and then like rest and digest, so sympathetic, parasympathetic nervous system, and when you're, you know the sympathetic nervous system is dominant. That's the fight or flight. Then actually what that means is that you know you're actually getting. You know your executive functioning part of the brain actually doesn't get blood to it.
Speaker 2:So it's like you know your capacity to make good decisions, your capacity to have, you know, creative thinking is literally, you know, slowed, I mean almost completely stopped, because all of your energy, you know your nervous system, is in your muscles. It's like ready for either I need to fight or run away. You know this is not the time to be kind of like creating a beautiful piece of art or you know this is like I'm going to be reactive and it's like a lot of people are, you know, learn how to function in that, but it is like it's much harder to make decisions. It's much harder to work because you're having to push through this. You know physiological. You know physiological, you know your brain is firing, saying, you know I'm unsafe, and so when you're in that state, yeah, you are having to put a lot of energy to then actually trying to be creative or productive, because that's not what your nervous system is trying to tell you to do. And so you know that.
Speaker 2:And those you know stresses. Historically it was designed that you know this was going to be. If you, you know smelt, a wild animal, or you know fire, or there was, you know something that was a real threat to life. But now you know our nervous system hasn't actually evolved that much. So if you have, you know, your phone reminders pinging, or you have an inbox full of things that you haven't answered, or you have that sound of the builders next door, you know all of these things are things that are actually going to trigger that stress response, and so your body doesn't recognize the difference going to trigger that stress response and so your body doesn't recognize the difference, and it's with your accent.
Speaker 1:I just think to myself the event. I think it's every day that I roam around in London. One it's the sirens and two it's the fighting Poor, poor cyclists in London. I think every day I go out into the streets of London I see a cyclist getting beaten up.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. I know there's a lot of road rage in London, but thankfully I haven't seen it to that level, yeah but it's yeah OK so.
Speaker 2:So you know there is a physiological factor that that is actually impacting your body. And now you know when you're. You know what happens at the sort of full end of that fight or flight is that then people go into freeze, like you see it in animal documentaries, like you know, when the gazelle is caught by the lion and they, like they play dead and then the lion leaves them and then they leap up and run away. But it's like you know that end, that freeze is something that people can go into. But now a lot of people are actually living in what they call functional freeze. So it's like your whole nervous system is just kind of on complete shutdown but yet you are forcing yourself to get on and go to work and deal with stuff and it is, it's completely exhausting to your system so that's the funny one for me, because I I know again if I went back to myself 10 years ago and I heard this.
Speaker 1:I would have been like come on. And I would have also recognized like oh, I'm tired I don't have.
Speaker 1:I don't have time to be listening to this nonsense and and I would have been like, oh, that's such such this nonsense. And I would have been like, oh, that's such airy-fairy talk. I would have been like I would have actually prided myself in terms of how I can get on with it, how I can get myself up early, how we can get by on a mediocre diet, how I can work so hard and how I can handle so much stress and how I can handle so much stress. But unfortunately, I could never see beyond that of like, yeah, jamie, you can do this in this environment and you can do so well.
Speaker 1:Think of what you could do in an environment that was a better complement to you. And that's something that, let's say, I reflect back on and I go I wish I would have loved to have seen how I would do. Let's say, in the environment that I'm in now with that, let's say, youth and energy, rather than, let's say, suffering through things and getting on with things. Again, that's something that I think instinctively, so many of us just want to put our heads down and get on with things, rather than looking a little bit beyond the curve and perhaps saying, hey, look, we could reorientate and we'd be a hell of a lot better off, but I suppose some of someone's perhaps trapped in that cycle that what did you describe it as freeze uh, yeah, so freeze and fight, fight, flight and then freeze, and people are in functional freeze.
Speaker 2:So it's like when their body really would just like to, you know, play dead, but they're forcing themselves. You know they're in that real, you know nervous system, shutdown state and yet pushing through. So can I?
Speaker 1:ask you then, because what I would have, I would have. Uh, I would probably have been a bit denial. Uh, I'm sorry, I would have denied if I was in a burnout state do you want me asking, like I imagine you almost have it, like you could almost take it off a list what are, like the five or six signs where you just concretely can be like, oh, that person's burnt out. If they are this, this, this, this, what comes?
Speaker 2:up for you. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean definitely, you know fatigue. So that is, you know, a level of tiredness that isn't related to, you know, output. You know you're just, you have fatigue. You know you wake up in the morning and you're fatigued. You wake up and you know sleep doesn't feel like you don't feel refreshed after sleep, you just feel exhausted and that's kind of a general state. Um, I'd say that's a kind of really key. Um, definitely, uh, most people, yeah, when they're out, there will be a level of kind of like emotional fatigue, you know so, like having no capacity to deal with. Like you know, you have a certain number of tasks to do and then something another thing comes in, or like there's an unexpected challenge and you know you just either in floods of tears or just angry with that person and irritated, and you just can't handle anything unexpected or anything extra. There's just no capacity, no empathy, you know, or no kind of resilience. It's just you could just crumble.
Speaker 2:So I'm hearing like a kind of fatigue, I'm hearing like an emotional volatility, but also a numbness as well like you can't really feel too much yeah, oh yeah, you can't feel too much, or you just don't have any extra emotional energy to give to anyone else.
Speaker 2:Or, you know, like I know, I got burnt out, you know, a number of years ago, ironically working in a wellness resort, and you know, and you get empathy fatigue, like you know, because my mom was a psychotherapist and I remember, like, talking to her about it and she was like, yeah, you have empathy fatigue and I was like, huh, is that a thing? But you know, it's like you get to that point where you've been in this case for me, you know looking after other people so much, so much, and then you get to the point where you're just like, oh god, you know, people are just complaining to me, can they not? Just, you know, I just stopped being able to actually be empathetic for them. I was just like it's just too much. Can you just like, you know, sort yourself out? And I was, you know, and I was like, oh my God, this is not how I want to be with my clients or to feel.
Speaker 2:This is a little bit confronting. I mean that can be when you get to that point of, yes, this emotional volatility or just lack of capacity to be empathetic. A lot of people it will generally impact sleep or digestion. So again, it's going to depend on the individual. A lot of people will have both, but there will be, yeah, either just a level of you know often it's called like tired but wired, you know of just like not being able to switch off and there's just this kind of like level of you know feeling you know adrenalized, you know like overly stimulated and exhausted but not able to switch off, and that can be very common the ones that are coming up on my set.
Speaker 1:That I'd love you to be like. Correct or wrong is like um, an indecisive starts starts to kick in and inefficient and work tasks that were generally quite easy start just taking more and more time and feeling more challenging to do um, yeah, those are the kind of the two big ones, yeah I was going to say that and that's that's like.
Speaker 2:the next stage is like, yeah, when you've got to that point of just you know you're just not mentally functioning at a level that is, uh, yeah, that you can make the decisions or that you can do tasks that, as you say, should be easy, so that's certainly something that people find that things just are much harder, take much longer, take much more effort to do that you know should have been, yeah, or used to be easy.
Speaker 1:And here's the like, the wobbly one, that I'm quite curious on. So my auntie's a naturopathic doctor a fantastic naturopathic doctor, so much so I actually flew over to live with her for a few days and just picked her brain for 12 hours a day solidly.
Speaker 1:And one of her kind of real points that she made is look, you know, allergies are going to really start flaring up when your immune system is knocked and it's a real signal to slow down. It's a real signal to look after yourself, so allergies aren't necessarily chronic they can be highly indicative of where you're at, and she associated a lot of them to me at that time in terms of burnout.
Speaker 1:She was like look, if you're, if you're burning burning things a little bit too much your allergies are going to start coming up and up and up and up. Is that just an individual thing, or would that be quite universal, would you feel?
Speaker 2:I think it's this thing of like.
Speaker 2:It depends like where you know what your constitution is and like what your area of weakness is.
Speaker 2:And if your area of weakness is the digestive system, when you are run down, that's going to be the area that is going to, you know, trigger your symptoms and certainly you certainly chronic stress over a period of time, burnout most people will have some level of well, you get a lot of inflammation in the body and that is going to have an impact on, definitely, the immune system and generally the digestive system.
Speaker 2:But different people will have slightly different areas of weakness and so for you will have slightly different areas of weakness and so for you, you know, maybe digestion, maybe you have you know bit of, you know, an earth constitution, and so for you, when you're really overdoing it, then your digestive system is going to be the area where you will see symptoms and there are lots of people who will see that and it's certainly one of the key stress related patterns that a lot of people you know, people who aren't an earth constitution will get to that point if they really push it for long enough. But it might be that someone who's a different type would get other symptoms first, because that's their area of weakness my.
Speaker 2:My symptoms that come up are like itchy roof of the mouth, uh, runny nose, itchy eyes yeah um and and then sneezing and like it's yeah, so those are all the yeah, they're like you know, high histamine allergic responses. Your body is just becoming oversensitive, um to you know things in your environment because, uh, often what happens is when you know, when you're um, you know you're overstressed and your digestive system isn't working so well, you get something called leaky gut, which means that then, because of the irritation in the gut, normally you have these things called tight junctions between the cells and the gut lining and they don't let any bigger particles through. But when there's a lot of inflammation, which is exacerbated by stress, then you start getting these tight junctionsctions start getting slightly less tight, and so then bigger particles will go through and then you will develop food sensitivities, allergies to things, because things are getting into your bloodstream and your immune system's going oh no, these, you know, these are things that we don't want here. So then they start creating responses to them.
Speaker 2:And that's because you know, like you said, it's this whole kind of cycle and then yeah, once you actually reduce the stress and you heal. You know, like you said, it's this whole kind of cycle and then yeah, once you actually reduce the stress and you heal, you know that naturally heals your gut. Then your body stops, your immune system stops like responding to these things and then those allergenic symptoms will reduce.
Speaker 1:So this is the one thing I love. I don't mean to pull us off, course, but allergies aren't there to stay. You can heal them, oh yeah completely. This is something that I always thought like oh, you have an energy, you have it for life.
Speaker 1:It's like no, no, no, no, no, you can work with them. Okay, I kind of it's like ticked the box in terms of clarity and burnout and overwhelm. Can I ask you, if somebody's like, oh shit, I kind of tick all the boxes there, what is like the because, when I kind of think of burnout in terms of addressing it, it's like right you need to slow down. You need to.
Speaker 2:You need to make some really good decisions that clear up your field and allow you calm yourself right right down but my instinctive feeling around it is that it's a lengthy process yeah, I mean it depends when you catch it, because certainly you know these things are all on a.
Speaker 2:It's not like you're fine and then suddenly you have all of these.
Speaker 2:So it's like if someone actually starts, you know, noticing that you know they're finding it harder to do simple tasks, that they're getting more irritable with people, that they're feeling wired and tired, you know, so they're getting slightly more sensitive digestion, you know.
Speaker 2:Then it might be that you're in the process of moving towards burnout, but if you catch it, then you know you can maybe backpedal while still doing what you're doing and just start making better choices. And you know about your time and about you know setting yourself up for sleep and how you're eating, and you know while you're under stress or reducing, you know the impact of uh, or you know choosing how you exercise or um. You know using things to actually support your. You know your home space energetically or making sure that you know your exercise is not in a gym under artificial lights doing high intensity, but actually going for a walk in a park or you know having a lie down in the sun. You know things like that so you can actually start, whereas if someone has got to that point where it's like, you know, end point, everything, then, yeah, probably they're actually going to need to take a break and actually fully let the body, just, you know, rest for a while.
Speaker 1:This is really interesting, sorry. So what I'm hearing is that there's actually there's hundreds of different little tweaks that you can make. There's actually hundreds of different little tweaks that you can make. Like, if I remember back to that period, I was very into biohacking and Tim Ferriss and like owning my mornings, and I remember my morning routine was like 20 steps, and like I'm thinking, yeah, jay, if you actually only just stopped setting your alarm clock, slept in a little bit and perhaps just went for a nice walk in the nearby park in the mornings, that probably would have served you better than the 20 tasks that you burdened yourself with.
Speaker 1:Um, I, I, I definitely feel that also we have this, and it's particularly in people with a lot of capacity is that we?
Speaker 1:We end up, let's say, holding things, things in our field, so if we don't have the capacity, we're forced to make a decision, but if we have a high capacity, we can hold off on making decisions in a number of different areas, but all of them. It's like holding a level of stress and at a certain point it's like the straw that breaks the camel's back, and so I kind of find that if you're're trying to rewrite or, sorry, reroute somebody out of burnout very, very quickly. It's one. It's like what are all these burdens that you're putting on yourself that perhaps you think are for good natural fact, taking them off your shoulders could be really good, but then what are all these decisions that you've been holding off on? If we could make some really good decisions in your life right now, that might take an enormous burden of stress and weight out of your life too. Um, is there anything else that's kind of popping up, or do those two kind of feel right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that definitely does, and I'm just thinking back to like when I worked in a wellness resort in Thailand and a lot of the programs that we did there were stress and burnout programs and a lot of the time what I was having to explain to people why and hopefully gently encourage them was actually to do less exercise or to change the type of exercise.
Speaker 2:Because often what happens is when you are kind of used to working, like you say, you have a lot of capacity and you're a real, you know a doer and you have lots of ideas and you, you know you work hard, then there tends to be like more of an attraction towards high intensity exercise because that feel, you know you get the endorphins, you feel like you're releasing stress, but you know, actually by doing that, of course that is fatiguing the body further, is creating more inflammation and also, in terms of Chinese medicine, it's also really, you know, it's kind of triggering that we talked about the wood element, so that's like liver energy, and liver energy is about, like you said, decision making and sort of leadership and, like you know, getting things done, and so there is a desire when you're in that state to just do more of that.
Speaker 2:But that can be like an imbalance. So then doing exercise, it's very linear and very hard and very fast and it's like, you know, strong People really feel like, well, that feels really good. I've had a really stressful day. I want to go and run or I want to go, and you know, box or whatever, but actually that is actually creating more fatigue, creating using up more of your resources, creating more inflammation. You have to say to these people actually it would be better if you went for a swim or you did some yoga or you did some dance, you went for a walk in the park, and they don't necessarily want to hear it, but actually that is going to be more nourishing to their system and help the nervous system to regulate. So actually telling people to exercise less or differently was a big thing that I was having to educate people about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I read somewhere recently that dancing is one of the most effective cures with regards to ridding the body of stress disease, depression. The actual fact. If you're looking to rewrite somebody's state dancing is it?
Speaker 2:And great for brain, for reducing neurodegeneration as well, Because you're doing cross-pattern movement, you're having to be creative and that really helps the brain as well.
Speaker 1:I find my go-to is quite odd now.
Speaker 1:When I notice burnout symptoms coming on, I'm like, okay, I'm going to clear my evening. I'm going to order a really bold takeaway. I'm going to get loads of like snacks and sweets that I'd rarely eat, that one would think like those foods are bad, but they're comfort foods and they like the night in and the cozy night in and perhaps they like the movie. That's pretty crap but pretty good at the same time, like harry potter. What I find is like the snacks, the takeaway, that, the comfort of that, yeah, and knocks me into this, like, let's say, almost food induced coma, like sleep, but then the next day killing off all the like, the exercise and the things that normally speaking, when I'm right, are really, really good but in that those states are too stressful for me yeah
Speaker 1:and then just clearing my schedule and not actually knowing what I'm going to do, but just perhaps hopping on my bike and just seeing where I end up, seems to be really, really helpful. And I notice now like, if I can catch burnout coming on, I can almost rewrite it and have myself feeling right in a day or two, whereas if I go back a couple of years, that would have taken me out for a couple of months and also as well. The things that I lean on are the very things that I thought were actually the triggers for it, like the bad food perhaps not looking after myself and the wellness, like doing the exercises and all of this. So it's it's quite interesting for me, anyway, how I've learned that sometimes the bad things are actually good, but it's all about how you use them and their timing and their application and also your beliefs about them and how you feel about them.
Speaker 2:Like, like you know, it's like you can be. You know, if you're eating quote unquote bad food and you're stressing about it and you're thinking, you know, feeling guilty, or you're you know, then yeah, that's probably not going to have a good impact on your body. But if, like you're saying, you know this is something that is going to be nourishing for me and this is me treating myself and you know there's real enjoyment and there's relaxation, then you know that is changing your state and that allows your body to actually absorb things, because you're going into that rest and digest state. You're going, you know you're allowing your body to create, you know, hormones that are going to give you pleasure and relaxation. You're then going to have a better you know better night's sleep, you know.
Speaker 2:So, even though, yes, maybe some of those foods aren't ideal in that context, you are actually because your belief about it and the state that you're putting yourself in, your body is going to be able to digest that and you're going to feel better from it. So you know that state and you know, maybe these are things that are needed for you to create that state, but it is also possible to actually create that state, not necessarily with all of those things, and actually that state shift changes your nervous system, changes your hormone production, kind of allows your body to go into that pleasure, relaxation, rest state and you know you can. Certainly there's a time and a place for comfort eating and you know, a cheesy movie and whatever. But there are also things that you can do, if you don't want to feel like I need to do the whole hog, that can actually create that state and get those benefits too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've mentioned something subtly of the course of this chat, which is that your home space. I remember talking to somebody and they said, jamie, your home space should be like a charger, you know, like think of yourself as the phone go again to the world and when you come home, think of yourself plugging yourself in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for whatever space you have if you can do little things that just make it, make it all the more relaxing for you, and that is so important. So to think of your home space as what, what are the little things that you could do to just bring about this feeling of relaxation, peace and ease and I'm curious, like I really want to ask you with all the head, with the head on the shoulders that you have, how have you arranged your home to complement, let's say this, like this sanctuary that you talked about in?
Speaker 2:the middle of. Yeah well, you know there's lots of things. I mean know, one of the things that I work with is vortex technology, which are energy frequency cards, and they you can use them on the body and they kind of then put healing frequencies into your you know, your electromagnetic field, which have an impact on the body. But you can also put them on a home space and then you put them on the door. It's like feng shui. That's where the energy enters the house and circulates through. There's a pattern of energy that runs through the house which is called the bagua, which is like a figure of eight, and it comes through the front door and travels through the house, and so you can put these energy frequency cards on the doorframe, and so then that means that as energy enters the house, these frequencies are put into the space, and so that's something. I have particular cards on the house that actually balance the energy of the house. And then there's other cards that you can put on the, the router, which actually then mitigate the negative effects of the wi-fi, so that again that's changing, you know, the energetic state of the house. So that's something that's been on my house for years and that you know, people kind of come into the house and I was like, oh, your house always feels so nice, oh, it feels so relaxed, or oh, you know, wouldn't think you're in London, and part of that, I'm sure, is that just the energetic field of the house is different and is more harmonized.
Speaker 2:Then I've changed the lighting, so you know. So we have lights that will have, you know, true daylight, blue light during the day, but then you can set them to orange light for the evening and then red light for nighttime. So again, that's mimicking. You know what you would have in the natural setting if you were going to be around you know, like you know you'd have the cycle of the day and then in the evening you would just have fire light.
Speaker 2:And so you know, our brains are wired for if there's blue light we think it's daytime, and that's why screens et cetera are things that can, you know, overstimulate and interrupt your melatonin production. And so, again, so I have like blue blockers on all of my screens so that if I am working in the evening or watching something, you know that blue light is blocked, so that it isn't, then you know, sort of telling my brain it's daytime and interrupting my sleep. Then you know sort of telling my brain it's daytime and not interrupting my sleep. And then you know the colours and like natural fibres that you have in the house. We talked about the impact of straight lines and boxes and how that's kind of taxing to the nervous system, whereas actually having you know soft furnishing and plants and art in the house actually that you know that changes how the brain perceives your sense of beauty and comfort and relaxation and more sort of natural setting. So that's certainly something that is you know kind of part of how how the house is um so this is so nice.
Speaker 1:There's a. There's a couple of things that come to mind that I'd love to run by you as well, because I find I've spent a lot of time at different airbnbs over the last few years. Yeah, and one thing for me is cleaning products oh yeah, like so for me um minimal or if necessary. Organic, uh, bio-friendly cleaning products make such an enormous difference and fabrics, especially with regards to bed sheets, but actually as well the clothes that I wear.
Speaker 1:I noticed there are some clothes now and this might sound so bonkers, but like I used to wear, I used to like little lemon gear.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And what I now believe is that those fabrics make me feel stressed and depressed. And now a lot of the clothes that I'm wearing are linen based and when I put them on I feel light and free, and I've kind of mirrored this over to my home space as well. The fabrics within the home, I think, are huge yeah, that's so true cleaning products, fabrics you mentioned planting so obvious but makes such a difference can I ask you about the frequency cards, because the frequency cards are like edgy for me yeah fair enough on my openness, but what I definitely recognize and this goes back to my time working in hospitality like the impact of sound and frequency.
Speaker 1:So I remember meeting a really good sound engineer that worked with different restaurants and he said Jamie, this is fantastic. If we put this kind of music on in the background, people will relax and, generally speaking, we'll stay and eat a little bit longer. But if the restaurant is busy and we need to turn the tables around quicker, we'll raise the beat and raise the tempo of the music and what you'll find is that people will just instinctively want to leave and get going, in which case we can turn the tables around yeah and in the clubbing side of things, what I realized is there's obviously different types of music.
Speaker 1:There's like, let's say, a more dance side of music that will have people getting quite boisterous and pumping, and then there's like hip-hop and R&B that will have people grooving and twisting and turning and really create a much more sexualized environment. And I mean it was an amazing conversation in terms of just the power of music. So for me, in my home space, I'm really conscious of, like, I really like light, calming, relaxing music, generally speaking, without any um lyrics, and that I find huge. I recognize sorry, I can recognize that, but when you're talking about the frequency that an image omits, that I'm finding a little bit challenging.
Speaker 1:So is that to say that, like, when I look at something, it sends a message into my brain? So if I see a beautiful image, I like I interpret that. But there are certain, say, symbols that when I see that symbol, it instinctively almost projects, let's say, a relaxing vibe into me, versus if I saw a different symbol, it would perhaps induce fear or perhaps induce… God knows what else. Sorry, it's so clear that I don't understand this. Can you please help me understand?
Speaker 2:this. Yeah, well, I think we're going to be talking about you know a couple of different things, but, yes, certainly there are. You know there's different theories about how you know what we see and shapes and structures and how that impacts the brain. Like I mentioned fractals, and you know there's kind of research on the. You know what happens in the brain when you look at fractals, which are these kind of like broken lines and you know sort of crisscrossing shapes, versus when you look at kind of you know sort of squares, and they find that you know it stimulates the brain in different ways and fractals are more relaxing and they actually, you know, encourage the brain, you know, to relax. And then same, you know, with curves and like kind of you know more natural things. So that's one thing.
Speaker 2:And then there is a whole theory of like sacred geometry and how you know particular shapes have an impact, yeah, on the nervous system. And again, like you see, you know things like the Fibonacci sequence, you know like the spirals that you see in a nautilus shell or you see like in an unfurling fern. You know these are things that are, you know, sacred geometry, maths that naturally occurs, you know in the natural world, and these things are things that the brain, for whatever reason, perceives as beautiful and perceives as relaxing. So there, you know there are things that. And then there's also, you know, a whole theory of sacred geometry that I can sort of touch the surface of. So certainly, having you know those kind of geometric symbols and looking at them does have an impact on the brain and a lot of them have been used, like you'll see, in you know, sort of traditional um indian.
Speaker 2:You know, like all of the symbols for the chakras, they are all sacred geometry and a lot of you know other spiritual and religious traditions will have different sacred geometry and there's also architectural proportions.
Speaker 2:Like you know, you go into a church or you go into sacred buildings, you know there is something in you know the architecture which is sacred geometry, which again has an impact on the nervous system and creates a sense of awe and a sense of, you know, relaxation. So it is used in lots of different ways and that is affecting, you know, the brain through the vision, the frequency cards that I'm talking about working on a slightly different level. So there's I don't know whether you remember from, like you know, physics, many, many years ago, but you know that, like cells in our body, they're all vibrating, yeah, and so you know there's now, you know, research has been done on, you know, analyzing the vibration of different cells in the body, and they found that there are different frequencies for different types of cells in the body. So your liver vibrates at a slightly different frequency than your kidneys and your skin, and so then there is, you know, a healthy vibration for your liver.
Speaker 1:And there isn't. The thing that's coming to mind is wasn't it Wilhelm Reich that had the yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Reich machine, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:He mapped all the different frequencies to all the different organs and ailments and by tuning into the same frequencies you could either complement them or negate them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. So that's what bioresonance, which is another one of the energy medicines that I work with that works with, is actually recognizing. There's now these different frequencies have been mapped, and so if you have an issue with your liver, you can, you know, wear a bioresonance machine or, you know, have a bioresonance treatment which has is programmed for the frequency of a healthy liver, and so you then put yourself in the field of that frequency and you know, you've seen, have you ever seen the example with tuning forks, where if you, you know, or two violins and you, like, you know, you play a string, and then there's this harmonic resonance that happens that the other, you know tuning fork or the other string that hasn't been hit, the vibration will travel through the air and it will also start sounding. Is this the science of co-regulation? Yeah, I mean, that's definitely. You know a facet of that, like that's yeah, the nervous system, when it is, yeah, you know, will co-regulate. Your heartbeat will start regulating with someone else who is in a state of regulation and you feel safe, and then you will actually co-regulate. So there's kind of like sort of overlapping of, like different theories and understanding of, you know, different aspects of health and vibration and frequency in the body. And these cards, they are holding specific frequencies that have, you know, a healing effect when put either on a person or on a space, and so you know they're not like specifically, like you know, say, the bioresonance we were talking about. These are all kind of mapped for these cells, these organs, or the antithesis you can also have it for, like this bacteria, you know, has this frequency, so we can then do a disruptive frequency, so when you put that into the body it will then just naturally make the the cell wall of the bacteria burst, so that then the bacteria dies off and doesn't kind of keep proliferating, growing in the body. Um, yeah, so bioresonance is really interesting. It's just something that I'm starting to learn more about and using for myself. But yeah, that's that I've had.
Speaker 2:Actually, the thing that got me interested in that is again when I worked in this wellness resort in Thailand and when we had repeat guests we'd get their health profile from their previous time and I had one guest who two years ago had filled out her health profile and had a couple of allergies like shellfish and nuts, and then in her new health profile she hadn't written any allergies and I was like, oh, are you assuming that we have your, your notes from two years ago? And she was like, oh, no, I'm not allergic anymore. And I was kind of like, you know, how is that possible? And she's like, oh yeah, I did 18 months of bioresonance and it got rid of all of my food allergies. And that was my first thing of like, okay, I knew bioresonance, oh yeah, it's frequency and it's going to help you relax or maybe support your mood.
Speaker 2:But then this was someone saying, no, it had physically, you know, changed something which you know was anaphylactic for her to something that now she could eat. So I was just like, oh. And then, you know, at that point it was still a very new technology and I didn't find out that much about it, but it kind of seeded something. And then this year, at the Optimal Health Summit, there was like, oh, no, it was the Integrated Wellness, integrated Medicine Conference. Yeah, there was a, you know, a couple of talks on bioresonance and I was like, ah, okay. And then they were talking about, you know, the research and there was more details and there was, you know, people who had been using it with their clients. And I was like, ah, okay, now, obviously, this is a you know, a more developed field, and so I'm now working with that for myself.
Speaker 1:What's coming up for me as I'm hearing you speak is that I'm recognizing that you have 20 years of study behind you in all varying fields, but even still you're like, oh my god, this is a new area that I'm going to dive into and study. What I kind of feel is that, naively sometimes, we can be like, oh, a doctor knows all of everything about medicine and it's like no, you could have a hundred people study for a hundred years in all varying areas of medicine and unfortunately be, let's say, compartmentalized in their areas of understanding. The length and breadth of all there is to know when it comes to looking after ourselves and all the different ways that we can look, look after ourselves is just beyond the reach, let's say, of an individual's lifetime of learning. Um, that, would that be fair to say?
Speaker 2:I mean kind of yes and no, like I think if we are trying to kind of cognitively understand all of this stuff, then yeah, probably, you know we're not going to. But I think, like I know, for me, like when I first, you know, studied acupuncture, I thought, okay, once I've done my degree, then you know, I will know this and I will be able, you know, and and then, and. But by the time I got to my, the end, my degree, I kind of felt like wow, now I'm aware of, like you said, how much I don't know and how much more there is to understand, and that, you know, while I was doing other things, learning other things in parallel with that, but that kind of really then opened of like, oh, my God, there's so much more to understand. And every time you get a new level of understanding you realize, ah, then there's this whole thing. But then, after I'd studied naturopathy, there was then a kind of desire to kind of go more minute and kind of go, right, I'm going to do functional medicine, because I only understand, you know, nutrition from a more sort of, you know, general level. You know, in terms of naturopathy I want to get really into, like you know I can do the. You know basic, you know blood tests and the. You know this and that. But actually I want to know all the minutiae and whatever.
Speaker 2:And then I suddenly realized actually I have seen you know like using, you know energy medicine, that, something that, or even you know Chinese medicine is also energy medicine that you know there is a physiological complaint and all you do is you put needles in someone over a period of time and then you actually change how their body works and then you know that physical complaint changes and you haven't given them any supplementation, you haven't sort of cut anything out or, you know, changed anything, you've just facilitated the body kind of going back into a more aligned state. And I realized that also, like we mentioned earlier talking with other types of energy medicine, so mainly life alignment that I work with, that you can actually buy someone having a shift on their mental, emotional level back and then filter down to their physical experience and something can shift either the body goes back into alignment or symptoms clear or energy changes and you feel you know, from feeling like really flat and exhausted you can get really detailed into nutrition and having like really like bespoke. You know genetic testing and you know all of these kind of supplements or probiotics that are really like very person specific and based on your DNA snips and like all of this stuff. But I might actually those tests and those results can be changed by, like you said, you're feeling burnt out and then you just take a break, you go to the countryside and then suddenly all your allergies and sensitivities clear up. And you haven't changed your diet, you haven't, you know, taken the antihistamines or you know whatever, some herbal medicine or something. You've just allowed your body to be in a state where it can self-regulate.
Speaker 2:And I think that actually working at the you know the frequency level, at the mental, emotional level, at the subtle level, and actually supporting people in being able to take that time to go, actually maybe I need to rest, I need to slow down, I need to just be with this, or I need to recognize this belief that is making me push myself too hard and criticize myself. If I can actually recognize that that's unhelpful and clear it, then actually, you know, I'm more okay with not being perfect or I'm not kind of beating myself up in my head, which is exhausting and means I don't sleep because I'm worrying about that conversation that I had and I should have done it differently and whatever. And so actually working at that level with people means that you're facilitating the body and self-regulating. So you don't actually need to know everything. You can actually just be facilitating change by helping that alignment, allowing the body to heal itself and actually having less understanding but more capacity to just facilitate. You know, the body is an amazing capacity to self-regulate and just supporting that.
Speaker 1:So if I go back to my point, of view there's vast oceans of learning. I think there genuinely is there is yeah but really what? Towards the end of what you were sharing, I was like you could just study and study and study and study. And, to be fair, like I love that premise of like the more I know, the more I realize there is to know and so the sillier I feel. Uh, I, I love that. Actually, I genuinely get scared when people come across as know-it-alls and I find medicine.
Speaker 1:A lot of types like to profess themselves as know-it-alls, whereas when people have that kind of like attitude of I'm a never, I'm a student, I find that very comforting because I feel they've reached that point. But for me, when it comes to like studying myself, I'm like you know. There's a certain point where you have to accept that like you'll never understand the inner workings and how complicated our inner mechanics are. But if you can just tilt the odds in your favor, if you can recognize environment that works for you versus not get, in there that does, if you can recognize foods that work for you versus not focus in on them
Speaker 1:if you and I think it's in all spheres, it's like the relationships that work for you, the, the work that works for you of all of these if you can just start being a little bit more true to what I would say like your spirit, your soul, your heart. Yeah, that has this like a kind of knock-on effect in so many areas, um, but I always feel like there's there's much more to somebody being sick than just them being sick.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of wisdom in it, if you'd only listen yeah and then on the other side, like actually bringing out the best in you is quite obvious when you break it down, but I think we instinctively perhaps, want to shy away from the obviousness of it and overcomplicate it, when in actual fact it's just like focus on what's working for you, do more of that, move away from what's you know, of getting you know, being in alignment, being in synchronicity, manifestation etc.
Speaker 2:Is that you know doing things that put you in this state of feeling good, feeling aligned, and then you know things come more easily because you're not in this state of push and stress and you know you're actually your nervous system state. You talked about co-regulation and that's like when it happens in a positive way, that you know your nervous system regulates with someone else and you both come into regulation. But there's also the opposite like you can dysregulate, like if someone is like really stressed and anxious, that you know our nervous systems project out into the field and you feel that like you know, you know when you're around someone that is really like stressed often that can then you know you feel like more tense or you can pick that up so you know the same thing can apply.
Speaker 1:I love that you noted that specifically, because I do notice you go into the wrong environment and you will suffer the consequences of dysregulation as a result of that company You're like. The company you keep has such an impact on you. Yeah, I mean I could talk to you for ages. Thank you so much for sharing as you have. Uh, do you mind me asking if somebody is fascinated by you and wants to get in touch, what's the best way to do?
Speaker 2:that, um yeah, so I guess, uh, you can either, um you know, look me up um supernatural health on social media or email me, um, you know, hanya atHealthco, and those would probably be the best ways. Is it just co like co, co Oof, okay.
Speaker 1:Hanya thank you so much for sharing as you have.