The University of Life
The University of Life podcast has become my personal collection of fascinating learnings from the people I meet and experiences I have as I explore life and journey deeper in to the space of business mentoring & life coaching.
The University of Life
The University of Life & Dedy Tien
Join me as I sit down with Dedy Tien, a dynamic personal empowerment coach, property investor, and the visionary founder of the Peduli Foundation.
Through this episode, you'll learn about his "three P's": personal coaching to boost confidence, property investments for generating passive income, and the Peduli Foundation's mission to empower young minds with English and entrepreneurial skills.
As we navigate the intricacies of personal growth, our conversation highlights the importance of managing energy and embracing a growth mindset. Dedy shares valuable insights on making small, consistent improvements and the power of intentional action.
The episode also unpacks the transformative power of asking for help, illustrating how mentors can profoundly influence our journey. From the lessons learned in a remote Indonesian village to the importance of physical fitness, this story is a tribute to resilience and the power of community.
Finally, we delve into the profound impact of authenticity and self-discovery, exploring how setting goals from a place of abundance can lead to a more joyful and meaningful existence.
This episode invites you to embrace the responsibility for positive change, encouraging actions that move beyond self-centered thinking to make a difference in the world.
If ever you'd like to connect, please don't hesitate to connect via my website www.jamiewhite.com.
I am always open to feedback, reflections, guest / subject recommendations and anything else that might come up.
Thank you for listening, Jamie x
Daddy, how many titles do you have?
Speaker 2:I Like how many titles, because you seem to do so many things.
Speaker 1:I actually own, I call it the three P's, which is personal empowerment or personal coach. So I help people take them from, one could say, low self-esteem to high self-confidence. They don't have like, uh, daily habits of power and I kind of like help them with how their structure in terms of their daily habits of power, uh, that's like personal coach, I call it. And then also property. I call it the proper property. So investment, passive income and all that stuff. And then, last but not least, which is Peduli, which is a foundation that I founded to help local kids learn how to speak English, entrepreneurship, how to basically learn what you are doing, like teaching about entrepreneurship, business and all that leadership communication skills. So if I say to my partner babe, if you, if you cannot find me at peduli, you will find me in property. If you, if you cannot find me there, you'll find me there, you'll find me a personal coach. Yeah, it's three-piece.
Speaker 2:I've always been quite an archer. I remember we met in Nirvana and Nirvana was like this mecca of training that I found myself in a few years ago, where it's so much more than a gym. There's a huge emphasis in terms of learning about your body and training in really different ways, and you're my coach there. So thank you and then, but I remember you so motivating and so inspiring and that like it's quite. Some of the exercises are so difficult. It's kind of I'm trying to just kind of think of like one of the exercises but it's like do a shoulder press whilst in the splits and it's very testing. Um, but the way in which one you taught the class was amazing and then inspired people to feel comfortable in those savage times of discomfort. Yeah, it was, uh, was special. Yeah, but yeah, the more I've kind of learned. Eventually you're like a kind of a fine onion or something.
Speaker 2:because, ah, you're not just the coach in your banana, you're also a life coach working with people personally. It's not just that, you're also investing in property. And then it's not just that as well. You set up almost like a foundation with the school. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1:Yes, the foundation. Now we have 250 kids now. We started with only three kids, literally, and from that three kids we started in our garage and then we found ourselves with 30 kids just too many in that garage. And then from that garage we move into the backyard. But backyard it's not really congestive for the learning environment because the kids spend most of their time chasing after the paper instead of like learn. And then that's how we like, we like, okay, we need to build, and so a building, because we are that's kind of like our expertise we build, building, and so we build a school for these kids.
Speaker 2:This is a school you self-funded yes set up to support kids after school for a couple of hours to help them think more entrepreneurial to teach them the entrepreneurial skills that they don't learn in school right yes to hopefully help set them up to be all the more independent as they progress in life yes, so that that's the, the vision, so self-funded.
Speaker 1:And then friends and family they, they came in and they're like, oh, I really like this. They came in and they're like, oh, I really like this. For example, like Naomi, she came and shared her skills, her time and her heart with these kids and, yeah, it's very impactful for these kids to learn from a wonderful person like Naomi and I'd love to see you there as well. I feel guilty now that you're saying that the kids, they would love to learn from you, right, jamie? I love it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like it's quite a big thing. Most people can barely manage one career let alone the so you've got your, I think like let's say, your front and center of coaching.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then with the money. I kind of get the impression that with the money from that you invested yourself into property and you've now like you've a bunch of buildings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have about 10, like 12 villas, and then at the moment we are working on building another three villas, and these are ones that you like, you rent, you do up you buy, these are owned.
Speaker 1:Some rent, renovate and rent. That's the model that we used. But now we move away from that model of rent, renovate, rent to buy, build and sell. So we just own the land. I'm so grateful, being local, you have that. We just own the land. I'm so grateful, being local, you have that privilege to own the land. So that's kind of like our model now we just buy the land and we build it.
Speaker 2:Wow okay, and then not only that, you're like actually you know what I want to give back to my community as well. I want to support others around me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amor Bali Properties means giving back properties that give back. That's kind of like our slogan.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you actually you want to do good for your community, but you recognize that you need to fill your cup first, so you do that through the properties and they enable you to serve a greater impact.
Speaker 1:yes, yeah, um, I like the idea I think there's a example of that like you have to put the oxygen mask yeah, first on you and I I call it personal empowerment. Um, I'm so grateful to be in, uh, one could say, in the point of my life. Now, where I own my own house, I don't have to worry about survival, like the things is that you have to go out there of the survival mode in order for you to be that person, in order for you to live to your fullest potential, you have to get out of the survival mode. If every day, you get up in the morning and you worry about the landlord, you know if he would just come in and I say, hey, get out of the house. Or if you rent, and it's like you know, the survival instincts always haunt you, because I was there, brother Jamie, where you just worry about this stuff.
Speaker 1:So I had a plan at that time Like I want to own my house, not 30 years from now, but now. How so? Properties like flipping it's special in Bali. It gives you that, yeah, it gives you that ability to do so, and so I'm so grateful Once I've done that and taken care of my family and I say, okay, what can I give now? And then started with kids. I think education is the key to change. What happened now is that local, their parents, let's say, work for companies. The salary is only 3 million, for example, per month and they already spent the first at the 3 million in the first week and they have the three.
Speaker 1:So just yeah, just as a bit of context for anybody listening on, 3 million indian indian rupiah will be less than 200 euros so yeah, salary, salaries here, salaries here, and also working hours working hours is crazy eight to ten hours, sometimes 12 hours and so what happened in that dilemma is that they have four or five kids they cannot afford it to to send to school, to pay for the tuition, to learn english, and a lot of business owners or restaurants complain about that. They don't speak English or they cannot speak. Well, what can we do about it? We can sit and complain about it. We can do something about it.
Speaker 1:So then, for me, I say I'm a doer, and this is what I really love about your podcast as well you encourage people to take action, to do you know, because I think you've got to do. If you just look at things and just complain about it, for me I just take action. Okay, this is the problem. To change that, we need to provide them a safe space for them to learn and grow, especially English. The one lesson that I want the kids, the one skill, is English, because English allows me to connect with you, brother, and English opens doors doors like many doors, but you have to be proficient with the language, and so that's why the primary skill that we teach these kids English and then, after that, we apply English into entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship within the entrepreneurship. We teach them about communication skills, leadership skills, social skills.
Speaker 2:Yeah, teddy, what inspired you to do this? Because when most people are like struggling to survive, and then for those that have kind of gone beyond that point, it's kind of quite easy to get lost in greed and just accumulating and accumulating wealth, greed and just accumulating and accumulating wealth. Why do you think you didn't kind of just settle in your comfort and instead decided to have such a strong kind of motivation to give back and to look after those around you?
Speaker 1:Great question, rana. My mission, or one could say, vision in life is to that one day, when I die, I'll be the poorest man in that graveyard, if that makes sense. What I mean is like I want to spend, spend in terms of all, like my talents, my skills. I want to give my money in that case as well, like skills, money, resources, money, resources. Because if this is the most powerful questions that I really like, the Steve Jobs ask himself all the time If today was my last day, how would I live it?
Speaker 1:You see, what motivated me is that idea. How would I live this day if I knew it was my last? Yeah, I want to, you know. If so, get up in the morning. I just it was my last. I wanna, you know. If so, get up in the morning. I just like, okay, I wanna do this, I wanna do that, I wanna write, I wanna speak, I wanna so that I can give, I can contribute, and I love. This is also what I love about your reels and the things that the content that you put out there is about growth, because growth, I believe, with giving are inseparable. You cannot give if you're not growing.
Speaker 2:I was so keen to dip into this with you because, to be honest, I meet so many heart-centered types that give so much of themselves but unfortunately, they forgot to look after themselves. And their capacity to give depreciates.
Speaker 2:It gets less and less and to the point that actually they really can't look after themselves that well and they kind of get frustrated and burnt off by life, and I find it really sad because sometimes I meet, you know, people that were giving, so giving of themselves, and now they're upset about it, and they and they, they unfortunately they've they've, let's say, fallen in terms of their own self-care, that they're're a shell of themselves, and if they only did, what I feel is so inspiring in yourself is if they only concentrated on one second. I'm going to get my base sorted. First and foremost, I'm going to move myself from that survival point to actually like this confident, grounded space where I can really think that bit more visionary. I'll be able to do so much more, and I feel it's a thing that a lot of very heart-centered types miss. But you seem to have nailed and gotten right. You put your mask on, first and foremost, and now you are actively helping some of the other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's where I wrote that book. Brother jamie, empower yourself. Um, empower yourself basically pointed to this what you just said. This truth is that you have to first take care of your energy exercise, eat well uh, you have to take care of your mindset, cultivate growth mindset. You have to have a life purpose, because these are the things that will give you the energy right. And then you have to engage in ongoing self-improvement because, like everything, you're either green and growing or ripe and rotting. Right, and the willingness to learn, the willingness to open yourself to new experience, and ethical, like work ethic that actually matters. Like in my team, I instilled this idea of care you go out there, don't think about the money, don't think about the fame, don't think about the money, don't think about the fame, don't think about all these things. Just come from the place of care. Like, truly care about the person, the clients, because it matters.
Speaker 2:People will come back and like I want to do business with you because how you make me feel you care about me, you know I love that you're either green and growing, and I kind of think that that there's a part of me that it took me a little bit of time to actually understand that. But I was like, oh wait a second. Actually, yeah, because when you're, let's say, when you're happy with yourself, when you're content content with yourself and you take a break, in that you sit back, in that you do start to rot. Yeah, but if you continually kind of move that point of satisfaction on a little bit so that you're always ripening.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're green and ripening. You're all the time growing, expanding.
Speaker 1:Lovely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really like that. Yeah, I really like that.
Speaker 1:I really like that.
Speaker 2:I think tony robbins said it really well as well progress equal happiness yeah, yeah, I I find that when we settle in yeah, unfortunately we contract, exactly yeah, and settling feels good it's like it's awkward. In our comfort zone, it's lovely, but we contract and it becomes all the harder to get out of that bubble, whereas on the opposite of that, like when we're pushing ourselves, when we're going beyond our comfort zone, it's uncomfortable, it's disorientating. Generally speaking, it's quite challenging to our confidence. But we go home at the end of the day with a smile on our face, we sleep better than we do normally.
Speaker 1:We enjoy our meals more because they're earned.
Speaker 2:We enjoy all the nice things all the more, and we thrive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like this concept of 1%, only 1%. How am I doing with my health? How am I doing with my wealth? How am I doing with my relationship? How am I doing with my business? Can I improve only 1% today?
Speaker 2:You know what if you improve?
Speaker 1:one percent today. Guess what, brother jeremy? 100 days later it's 100 percent.
Speaker 2:It's actually more, it's actually more. Yeah, if you do one percent daily for 365 days, I think it's a 36 fold increase over the course of the year because of the compounding effect compound.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, there you go, but usually it's not. You're not one percent, usually like maybe more than one percent. You always push yourselves right. But the idea is that start small, but start now yeah, that's a funny one, you like.
Speaker 2:You really noted earlier that you were like do you know what? It's? Just action, it's just doing. You might not necessarily even know what it is that you're going to do.
Speaker 1:No, just put yourself yeah, into the mix.
Speaker 2:You, you learn pretty damn fast, you start making that's correct whereas I have found on several occasions throughout my life I've gotten lost in planning, I lost in books, I lost in ideas, and it's like the more I think about something, the more I try to perfect that thing, the more I find I I am pulled back or I'm paused and I actually don't get much done, whereas, well, how, like you've just had a baby, right? You obviously have your one-to-one work, you have your property work, which you're an expansion on, and you have the school, which you're an expansion on. Like it's quite obvious, you're exuding a lot of energy.
Speaker 1:And I'm writing books as well at the moment. So I mean, I love the idea of getting up early in the morning at 4 am. I'm a 4 am club. There's a book, I think, robin Sharma. He wrote a book called 5 a club like 4am club. I love that 4am. And, yeah, man, consistency, and also what you just said before about ideation, and I think ideation without the actual implementation at the end of the day is just an illusion, and so, and awaiting until it gets perfect, it will. It's like the only way you know and you improve on something is through doing it and getting feedback from it. Yeah, so, just even just small action, action, but just do it.
Speaker 1:that's how you get the real feedback and that's how you can improve things so you get up at 4am and so 4am meditate, I would just sit there and observe my body, scan my body and then jump into the cold plunge. So I've got one at home and then went for a run. So that's kind of like my daily morning routine and then afterwards just get into the habit of writing. I've got a gratitude journal, so I ask myself, where am I grateful for today? And just list the things that I'm grateful for and then start my day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get the feeling that you know there's we read about so many different little habits and tools and exercises that we can do that will complement our best selves, and I always get the impression that you know there's something that project that, oh, I'm doing all of this. And then there's you who embodies all of this. It's like, yeah, I get up before I am, I sit, I meditate, I do my cold bath, I go for my run, and you can feel your gratitude in every sentence that you share and it's lovely to see, like, yeah, just this radiant, happy energy. Can I ask you a very cliche question, like I'm curious when you reflect back on your younger years, like what do you think were kind of the key lessons that has brought about the life that you have right now?
Speaker 1:um, cool, love it, love it, brother. Thank you so much. I think that's it.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna push you and always go like the earliest, earlier as well, because it's it. It's a highly organized, highly disciplined and like very complimenting way of living.
Speaker 1:You have so yeah, I'm curious what's shaped you well.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, brother. Uh, yeah, my mom was my hero and she instilled this idea without actually saying it, but she demonstrated by her behavior. So I'm witnessing all this, and one thing that I've learned from her was dare to ask. She would just go and ask random people to help her, and I don't know if you know I think you know a little bit about my story, but I came from a background where education was not a thing. My mom and my dad would rather have seen me in a field planting corn than in a classroom learning how to write or read. So that's the background that I came from, and we didn't even have electricity to at that time, so we use oil lamp and so. But my mom, she, she demonstrated this behavior of just ask the neighbor, ask the people she came in contact with, ask people to buy things from her, and so I got into the habit of ask for help help I just ask like um, and that carry on to if anything.
Speaker 1:If I'm anything today is because of that. One habit is to ask for help. If you don't know, simple.
Speaker 2:You ask I don't know a lot of things, I when I started the company, or I don't know, I just go and ask the smartest guy in the room you know how do you do this I remember I had something somewhat similar where a teacher when I was like 15 or 16, he kind of pulled me back after class and he's like jimmy, you know, you can put your hand up and ask when you don't know.
Speaker 2:Like that's what this is all about. You can just ask questions and within weeks of him helping me with that, like all my grades changed, all my my experience of school changed, but I don't think I took it into life enough quick enough, whereas like that from a young age to be just encouraged highly, highly, highly for whatever it is yeah for whatever it is that you want, ask, and sorry, just to go back to that.
Speaker 2:So you, you grew up in a circumstance where there's no electricity no you would a gas lamp yes okay and in your home space, really your parents would like, would wanted your support on on the fields, rather than actually kind of read and write so how and write. So, how did you?
Speaker 1:So I met this wonderful man called Made and had already embodied the habit of asking for help. So I asked him how do you write, how do you read? And he told me three things Exercise, first one. And then he taught me how to exercise, first the first one, and then, um, he taught me about how to write, how to, how to read, and, uh, also, he's, he's an army at that time, so he, he's so much about commando style, like exercise out there, like calisthenic kind of style, so, uh, and so that's how I changed. One could say that meant my day changed the trajectory of my life, because I had no idea about Bali, had no idea about exercise. I had no idea about that. There is things called education, which is write, read and you know. And so he said, hey, look, if you want to learn English, go to where I'm from, bali. And then, seven years later, what he said influenced the decision. So I had no idea about Bali, bro.
Speaker 2:So you originally came from Kupang.
Speaker 1:Kupang, it's a small island, bro. If you Kupang, it's a small island, bro. If you look at it in a map, it's a small island. Indonesia, and again Indonesia is 17,000, I believe, plus islands. So when you say this island, that island, it's just like so many islands. So that's where I came from, man. And if you're remote, if you live in a or you're born into, if you're indonesian and you're born into a family who live in a remote village that there's no electricity, there's no access of like car or anything like that, you do, that's your. I mean, that's your uh, for one of my close friends actually couldn't read and write. He's almost 40 now. Couldn't read and write Just because of the environment that he grew up in.
Speaker 2:So it's the first thing that when I chat to most people, they think Bali is a country and I'm like no, no, no, Bali is an island, it's part of Indonesia. The overall population of Indonesia it's about 200 million, isn't it? 17,000 islands. And, interestingly, when you went to this man and you asked for support, the first thing that he instilled in you was your own personal care, your own fitness, your own training. You're a huge advocate of healthy body, healthy mind, right. But it starts first and foremost with your physical care.
Speaker 1:When you are strong, you feel strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. That's something that I think is missing a lot, because right now, like certainly in the Western world, there's this enormous interest in therapy and psychology and people. You know they're sitting down, they're chatting their hearts out and everything like that, but there's a lack of, let's say, priority for your own physical-care. So people are eating like crap and they're wondering why. They're depressed, yeah, and are physically like they're not moving at all, and they're wondering why there's such anxiety in their bodies and none of the therapies start with an emphasis on fresh air exercise.
Speaker 1:Exercise, I mean exercise, man. There's a science man. It's like release the good hormone things like BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor, you know, and dopamine, you know, oxytocin. It makes you feel good when you just move, like go for a run, do some push-ups. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I think I should come in on this, but as Daddy is saying like, oh, oh, you know, just go for a run or do some push-ups, daddy introduced me to really opening my body.
Speaker 2:The kind of idea is that as we breathe into our lungs, oxygen goes into our blood and that blood circulates through our body and brings that oxygen to our body and really wakes us up but also clears out anything that's perhaps stagnant, not serving.
Speaker 2:And daddy's training for me was like jamie, learn to open your body, learn to breathe deeply and open your body so you can get your oxygen all throughout your body, throughout the body, and you can get whatever is inside that needs to get out. Yeah, and it is, uh, it's been an incredible yeah. That training philosophy for me has been incredible of like work on your breathing, work on the range of movements, work on your circulation and really let energy flow through you and out of you. And I kind of think it makes a hell of a lot of sense, like you need to. Well, if you think about it as a computer, yep, and if you think about it as a computer that's got loads of files and everything all over the place, you need to clean up that computer first, and foremost, before you start really seeing it come to use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so training has. Training is like a foundation foundation. Education is the second and you really leaned into yep, into that side of things, and then you really got into personal development and self-help yep, uh, mentors.
Speaker 1:I, I think, have learn along. Listen to the audiobooks, listen to podcasts, it's great. But if you have mentors and this is what I really I think I really love the work that you do, you use you support individuals to transform their client, to get results, and I think all of us, we need mentors. I have mentors. In fact, I am a personal trainer. I have a personal trainer. You know what I mean. I learn more when I hire a personal trainer, although I am a personal trainer. And then when I went there, I cultivated this white belt mentality. I came from a point of like I don't know. I hired first not Ian, but I went to Ian and I was like I want to learn from you, I know, you know Ian. And then I went to all the good handstands masters and I said hey. And Dylan, I say, sir, what can I do for you If you can please help me learn handstands and same with business. I believe you have to have mentors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's such an unbelievable no-brainer. Yeah, like I find. Well, like I found myself really having to justify why someone would engage with a coach, and I think most people actually understand why they do it physically like you know, if you're going to the gym, it's a different workout altogether.
Speaker 2:If somebody's there supporting you through the process and also letting you kind of leverage their learnings, yeah. But when it comes to, let's say, a relationship, yeah, it's just this kind of idea of like, oh, why would you talk to a coach? It's like, well, if I'm struggling in my relationship, surely it would make sense to engage with somebody that does this, as their expertise, knows the issues that come up, knows how to help you through them and can support you in realizing your best self it's like oh, never thought of it.
Speaker 2:Like that way. And then when it comes to business. But like in so many areas of business, like when it comes to your own personal leadership, when it comes to your communication skills yeah, like I have engaged with so many coaches because I just recognize there's such incredible value and I'm amazed that like there is a coach for everything. Like I used to have huge struggles in terms of communications and having hard conversations with people until I worked with a coach, and hugely helpful yeah are when it came to money management and investments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, really helpful yeah, but it's, it's an odd one it's almost like coaching is yeah, it's, it's, let's say it's a fast evolving space right now, but it is interesting how people know it, understand and appreciate in the physical sense, but don't quite appreciate in all the other spheres of life that can really stand to you, and so this has been a huge benefit to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mentors, if anything like, um, because mentors if I'm anything today it's just because of them. Mentors like my mom Made. And then all Then through that journey, it was just mentors, because I ask questions, I ask for help and then some willingly help some. I have to invest and I also believe in the idea that when you pay, you pay attention. Oh my God, yes, bro, when you pay and you invest.
Speaker 1:One of investment in personal development was $5,000 Australian dollars. At that time I invested in one of my coaches named Chris, and it was scary man. I was like, oh my God, this is a lot of money and I commit. He introduced me to a whole new world that I had no idea about. Like, oh man, I was like it was $50,000 actually, but it's like the worth of knowledge, the value came back to me. But first this survival instinct or this, one could say, the small daddy, kind of like, oh my God, that's a lot of money. But look at me. I've written multiple books. Because of this guy I become who I am today. Because of this guy. I I become who I am today is because of that guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah honestly, I've had this as well, where I'm like going to invest into a program or something like that and the fees scare me. Every time I've gotten like disproportionately more value than what I've invested in because, again, I think that like leaning on the shoulders of somebody who's followed, yeah, sorry who's? Led the way in terms of the footsteps that you're following, and he can show you.
Speaker 1:Oh no, don't go for that, yeah, and if you're gonna go make that decision, here's the right person to talk exactly so helpful yeah, it's the system that they will provide you, it's the connection, it's the environment, the ecosystem, because at the end of the day, it's about that as well. What you paid is not only that, but the access to knowledge to people you know, okay, so your.
Speaker 2:So your mom instilled this in you from a young age and ever since you've been following this premises of like whatever I'm up to, whatever I need help with, find the person to support, find the person to to ask, and you know whether it's a favor or whether it's an investment. Investment, you know, provided I've done the calculations on it right, it's going to add to me, it's going to contribute, and you've built all this on a foundation of kind of fostering your own best energy first and foremost. So look after yourself, lean into others. I'm really curious. I kind of want to poke a little bit further and be like what else?
Speaker 2:comes up for you in terms of like. Really it is for me kind of the fascination I had on this podcast is like what are the tools that people have applied in their lives to success?
Speaker 1:yeah, what are the kind of?
Speaker 2:the key lessons that complement somebody to where they are where does the big heart come from? Like you know, you talked all about essentially that foundation that you've set up, where you were helping all these kids speak english, think more entrepreneurially. Where do you think that? Where do you think that vision and that desire to help others came from?
Speaker 1:I believe that comes from the man who changed basically my life, the whole journey of my life, and that is my day and that instilled. If I were to narrow it down to one word, that word would be caring.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's it caring all right, because he supported you voluntarily.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah he, he would like, because he he one could say he didn't have to, but he was, he did, he did. And then I am today because of that One help. So from that day on I say, okay, care. That's why I call this school peduli Peduli. In English it means care, and I want to instill this again to these kids that you need to care about your future, hey kid. You need to care about your health care about your future, hey kid, you need to care about your health. You need to care about your you know um your school. You need to care about your parents. You need to care about care, to care about your community yeah, these are kind of?
Speaker 2:I don't know why and like maybe it's my experience there's a, there's a one for me to say, oh, back home, but no, you know, it's my experience really that, like these kind of principles, these values have fallen in priority as of late for so many um also like, yeah, caring for others around you, those doses like it's, it's kind of become socially accessible to hate your parents and a lot in a lot of the kind of therapies.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's in your parents.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's a bit of a cop that in a lot of regards. I I think, it's really sad, yeah, and people are missing. There's so many people saying, oh, I'm missing a sense of community. You can create it very quickly, and the best place to create it is essentially just saying hey how can I help?
Speaker 1:How can I help?
Speaker 2:I'd say you're a popular man in the local community.
Speaker 1:if you're looking after everybody's kids and I'd say you're a popular man in the local community if you're looking after everybody's kids yeah, man, 250 kids and almost everywhere I go in that community they know my name but I don't know their name. They're like Pa Dede, pa Dede. I was like, oh cool, this is great and I just want to share in regard to the idea. In regard the idea, caring is that in life, I believe that caring is the soil that nourishes. It's like without it, let's say, if I don't care about my partner, if I don't care about my well-being, you know there's, no, there's nothing to nourish in that life, in my life. So caring is the soil, you know, that nourishes, that that will help you grow in life like I get an idea of what that looks like for you.
Speaker 2:Is actually you getting up at 4 am is self-care.
Speaker 2:You taking time to meditate is self-care. It's probably uncomfortable getting up at 4 am, but you know that fosters your best self right. Likewise, showing up for the community the way you do and caring for other people Still a lot of energy in that, but you know it serves a higher purpose in you, right? Yeah, yeah, I I'm. I'm kind of finding it interesting at the moment the way everybody's talking about manifesting. Everybody wants to manifest abundance and wealth and career and all that, and I think what people don't quite prioritize enough is that karma is like the fuel for manifesting the more we care for others and also ourselves the more power we have when it comes to manifesting.
Speaker 1:You're right and to just add on that, brother Jamie, is that you manifest not so much about what you want or what you desire. I believe, and this is what I've learned personally, you manifest who you are. That's it. That's the key, who you are, who you are as a person. Are you a caring, loving as a person? Are you a caring, loving, peaceful, gentle human being? Or you are this nasty, angry, unhappy, full of hatred being? And if you are that person and you try to manifest and you talk about manifestation, just forget it. If that makes sense. It's like your identity impacts your income, impact and influence. You like your identity impact your income impact and influence. Yeah, you shift your identity. Your income impact, influence, changes it. They will change, but your identity, who are you as a person?
Speaker 2:can I pull that back a bit and just break it down? Okay, so what I'm hearing from there is that one, when it comes to actually manifesting the life that you want for yourself, you can't actually betray who you are. You can't fake it. No, you cannot carer. When you're like, oh, I want to, I want to manifest a life where I'm this billionaire business person or politician or whatever it's like, there's a disconnect that's not in you, that's not the heart root. So you can, you can try to manifest it all you want, but what you're doing is you're manifesting something that you're not, in which case, yeah, so actually the real, a first kind of part of manifestation, is actually just figuring out who are you. And then, when it comes to like, bringing that to life, yeah, you can bring to life who you are inside.
Speaker 2:You can't bring to life something that you're not Okay, and then then your second point is almost kind of in line with what I was sharing about karma.
Speaker 2:It's that if you're being a dick, if you're not being nice to those around you, if you're actually and also as well if you're not enjoying your life in a true sense, then God bless you, but you're just not going to be able to manifest anything different because you're in too much of, let's say, a trauma loop, whereas if you are actually really sharing your kindness and care not just not just with everybody else, but also yourself, yes that's the fuel that allows you to become more of who you are already, and it fuels that manifestational energy. Would that be fair?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, and I believe in the idea of who you are is so important. The question is that I think in ancient Greek, before you enter a temple of Apollodelfy, there's an inscription that read know thyself the idea of know thyself. You have to know who you truly are and then what you want and how you show up in the world. It's the key because oracles because that's the whole idea you go there, Temple of Apollodelfy, to ask for the oracles to give you guidance about your future, but the oracles know the secret. Hey, before you enter the building, read the inscription you have to know yourself first when I checked my personal journey right I went to I.
Speaker 2:I really subscribed to like motivational, inspirational content originally, so like I really subscribed to tony robinson yes, like go, go, go go to that inspiration, and that took me so far until it didn't like.
Speaker 2:You know, there's only so much you can motivate yourself to be savagely burnout and it was in that moment of burnout that I was really confronted by that. It's like, jamie, you can only muscle through so many blocks and obstacles before they get on top of you. You need to figure out who you are, yeah, and rebuild your life from that true, authentic place, because that's the kind of like trajectory that essentially can just keep going and going and going.
Speaker 2:You can't, I suppose, be something that you're not for an everlasting basis. It might work for a little while, but it really won't last you for too long. But you can. If you take time to figure out who you are, you can always be more of yourself. You can always expand and develop and grow provided you're being true to yourself. Yeah, it's the foundation of self-discovery. Needs to be there. That know thyself. That know thyself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, so important. That's actually primary, and if you observe all the books that I've ever written and will be it's, they will bring your attention back to that point of asking yourself the question who am I? What do I want? How do I want to show up? If I were to show up as the greatest version of myself today, what would that look like like? How would that feel like? And if I am the abundant like, if I want to attract abundance into my life, am I live? How am I showing up? Am I showing up as a abundant version of me or this? You know so it's like you. You attract who you are, not what you want, but who, who you are and who you are being. Are you and are you putting yourselves in an energy elevate or could say, I love elevated energy, where you feel Abundant, you feel strong, you feel good, you feel happy, because those are the energy that will attract the things that you want into your life.
Speaker 2:I see this a lot with goal setting, where people generally set goals at a place of rock bottom, where they're down, they're out of sorts and they think I'd like this for myself and I'd like that for myself and I'm going to set a big goal and a lofty ambition to have this much money in this career, in this relationship, this kind of home.
Speaker 2:And they look at the list and it almost hammers the point of they're not where they want to be and it unfortunately sees them thinking less of where they're at and they get a bit upset yeah and they're like and then the work from there is like well, I'm gonna work through this through this, yeah and, unfortunately speaking, I generally see that like as this weird personal development journey that takes somebody on a downward spiral, yeah, where they're more frustrated with themselves, more upset with themselves and more upset with the world, as a result whereas I kind of got that picture when you were sharing your kind of question that you ask yourself, I kind of saw you at 4 am meditating where you would ask yourself, like if I could show up as best as possible today, what would that look like?
Speaker 1:what would that look?
Speaker 2:like if I was to do all that I could and just even try and improve my circumstances. One percent.
Speaker 2:Today, my gut instinct tells me that you don't even need to think about big goals or anything like that if you just carry that philosophy, you'll, ultimately speaking, end up in a better place that far exceeds whatever you could imagine up for yourself and goes, and it's a much nicer approach to life as well, where you're enjoying your days. So much of my like, let's say, pre-burnout philosophy for life was sacrifice today for tomorrow. For tomorrow It'll be miserable and it'll be shit, but it'll make sense tomorrow. And they never got that. Tomorrow they never got. It fucking never came. And I got so bitter and so upset I was like, fuck all this wellness, it's not working this is not working.
Speaker 1:yeah, um, I love dr joe dispense. I don't know if you know dr joe dispenses work and, uh, I love the whole idea of be greater than your body, your mind and your environment If you want to really know who you are. Go beyond that, go beyond the people, the, the shame, the guilt, whatever that's going on inside your body, and that's the meditation that I've been like doing and I'm like wow, dr j, no, joe dispenser, this is, this, is it works like?
Speaker 2:magic, just so I like to compare notes here. So with joe, what I take from those kind of practices is that his philosophy is that when you meditate and for whatever it is that you're working on or working towards, you put yourself a year in and you meditate of like okay, what would it be like to to be living this life that I'm working towards in a year's time? What would it feel like? How would I be showing up in life? What decisions would I be making?
Speaker 2:yeah, and then you take that self that you've visioned up for yourself in a year's time into your present and you start conducting and moving through life from that point of future right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2:I love it. I yeah. I unfortunately inhaled a hell of a lot of his content. I just think his whole idea of like essentially rewiring your brain.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Because for me a lot of like, let's say the medit and this and the wellness world can be a little bit yeah, and he's put real practical science, practical yeah.
Speaker 1:And I always say like, oh, joe dispenser, he's the man who's really figuring out the science of spirituality yeah, it's, it's if you can shift the mind set from survival mode to more elevated emotions such as joy, bliss or blissfulness, or then, and then you operate your life from that and you leave your like, let's say, let's say start from morning till noon. You show up as that person and this is the mantra that I use, uh, every day. I, I would say to myself today, wherever I go, I will create a joyful, peaceful and loving world, within and without.
Speaker 2:Yeah when you share that right. It's bringing up this thought that I have at the moment that the more we focus ourselves on things that we can't control and the more we're distracted by the news, the war and the disease and the upset in the world and the possible financial crash and the election that's coming up.
Speaker 2:The more we put our attention into what we can't control, the more it takes our attention away from what we can control. And I think people feel that there is a big responsibility to be informed. Yeah, but I feel that that responsibility actually doesn't serve. And if one were to take all the energy that we're spending concentrating on that I've been so depressed to take it into their day to day with your philosophy of like, be the change that you want to be able to see in the world, show up as best as you can share some kindness, share some care, share some real love.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, I think we're in a hell of a lot better place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever that you focus on expands, right. Yeah, so if you put your energy, even the things, into the things that you don't like, guess what? You get more of the same of the things that you don't like. If you discipline your mind to just focus, let's say, on the things that you want. What do you want, I want to see love. Discipline your mind to just focus, let's say, on the things that you want. What do you want? I want to see love. I want to see people care for one another. I want to see peace, I want to see a joy. So then I want to commit myself to just focus on those things. And I'm well aware of like the world is collapsing, but this is the reality that I want to create and I move towards that direction. And usually people around you, they either follow that direction or they would fall away from that direction.
Speaker 2:I'm getting this weird limit right and I'm sometimes confronted by, I see, a very like upset, depressed, damn person who's like jamie, you know, this is going on in the world. This is going on in the world. You need to be aware, aware of this. Yeah, like you don't know, oh, you don't know, you need to know. And they're sitting in this bubble of real upset, real heavy, tough energy and there's a feeling of like that's the way we should go about life. And they look at me sometimes they're like what are you up to? You're in this like bubble, this like fake life. Oh, you're so light, you're so at ease. You're. When are you going to come back?
Speaker 1:down to the real world and I.
Speaker 2:I find that so interesting that people feel it's almost a responsibility to sit in doom and gloom. Yeah, and, and, and, and, and and really question anybody that is moving away from that. Yeah, and it seemed to be like disrespectful not to be aware. Yeah, but, but of course I got it on the other side, when you're blissfully happy and you're suffering, then it's a bit hard.
Speaker 1:It's hard. But here's the thing, though, brother how do you solve a problem if you are in that problem? If you are in that bottle, you cannot see the label outside of that bottle, the reason why you should get yourselves out of the obviously your environment, the problem, what's going on in your head? People depress, why? Because they just go through these same thoughts over and over and over for years, and then they become bigger and bigger and bigger, and then that's what happens. So, but if you meditate and develop, be able to get yourselves out of that, then you can see your life, you can see your problem. You can see the problem around the world, like I see the problem in the world with the lack of education, poverty.
Speaker 1:Do I complain about it? No, I do something about it because that's the real problem. You know what I mean I. I see the needs in market. They need more properties and because everything okay. I because I see clearly from the higher perspective. But if I were to be like in my problem? Look at me. I have this problem. Life is full of problem. What I attract? More of the same, more problems.
Speaker 2:Really interesting, really interesting. So, at the same stage, you're holding a level of, let's say, responsibility. Yeah, yeah, do you know what? I'm going to foster my energy. I'm not going to smother myself in this doom and gloom and you know what, with the energy that would be otherwise depressed by all of that. I'm going to take that and I'm going to do something good for myself. Yep, I'm going to share some care and some love and give back as best as I can. That and that's, yeah, your whole philosophy. I'm going to do something about it rather than just sitting in it, rather than being depressed, I'm going to just do something about it action, action, action action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean I was in that place as well like being depressed when I'm in depressed mode is because I just think of myself there's only so much that I can give to myself. Like, in a day, how many times can I feed myself? Maybe three, four, five times, but I can feed hundreds of people unlimited. Like I can feed people, I can give. But if I only focus on myself, like if I just centered, and that's when I experienced depression Because, okay, I feed myself.
Speaker 1:Now I watch Netflix and then eat a lot of, like crab food and whatnot, so that's it, that's it. But if I were to go out into the world and then care for these kids and then create some change, build something, connect with the team, do something, I have this energy, you see. So for me, I personally would go down that route of go out there and then contribute, then sitting at home, just being with myself and feel sorry about myself, about things, about whatever that's going on in my life. So I was in that place, but I've learned that I'd rather go down that route of go out into the world and then contribute.
Speaker 2:That used to be my, so I got through all sorts of depressive spells. And that used to be my kind of my way of pulling myself out, that I would generally, I'd put up a post on Instagram or something like that and I'm like does anybody need any help with?
Speaker 2:anything I'm available, and I was always like it was interesting because for me, what I found one was that, generally speaking, what people would ask for help would help me identify a skill inside me and and then, in showing up for another person, it gave me a sense of, of purpose and um, and yeah, purpose focus energy and yeah, purpose focus energy flows. I rebuilt my confidence, I rebuilt myself in those instances, yeah, and it's actually very, very simple.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what can I give? How can I be of service? That's the question I ask my team also to ask themselves what can you?
Speaker 2:give, whereas on the flip side of that, what you notice is that whenever you get yourself depressed and I say get yourself it's self-induced. And it's self-induced because you're over-focusing on yourself.
Speaker 1:Over-focusing on yourself.
Speaker 2:yes, and what does that look like? Over-focusing on yourself? Is that like, oh, you get too tied up in your training or you get too obsessed about your work?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, it's me, I make everything about me, I take everything personally. It's me, me, me. To be honest, no one cares the whole idea of what would Jamie think about me. We all have that thought. What would that guy think of me? And then I just think about me, me, me, me. As a result of that, when we started this podcast, I asked like what's um, you know who's your audience, and because I I want to come from that place of like, what can I give here? Yeah, how can I be of service here? How can I be? How can I? What can I give to brother jamie here? And when I shift that focus, I feel empowered, I feel good, I have no fear, because my whole being is all about being of service. But if I were like, well, how do I look? You know, if I just focus on me, you see how I'm going to be anxious about the whole thing, and then I don't think you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So are you in a practical sense be anxious about the whole thing, and then I don't think you know what I mean. Like so I get a practical sense, say I go to the shop and say that the, the person behind the counter, is rude to me. I can look at that in two ways. One they're being rude and disrespectful to me and I can kind of think like well, you know, what did I do to warrant that? Why are they being rude to me? Or I can recognize they've probably had a really tough day. This has nothing to do with me. One frame of mind is sympathetic and the other one is really ill positioning myself actually and it's it's really taking up kind of an introspection. Yeah, like, what did I do to deserve this? Why is this happening to me? That breaks me on a bit of a spiral, and now and then it's showing up in this podcast. It's like, oh, do I look okay?
Speaker 1:am I speaking correctly? Am I speaking correctly? Am I grammatically correct in all this?
Speaker 2:yeah, and over analyzing and essentially overthinking ourselves are. Just hey, I'm gonna open up share for it'll work for the right people and for the others it won't.
Speaker 1:And that's okay. That's okay too nice everyone everyone so like.
Speaker 2:A recipe for disaster is one yeah thinking, thinking that it's all about you, not actually understanding that everybody else is struggling with their own things and yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, pains and all that. I think there's a book called Four Agreements by Don Miguel. Yeah, miguel, and be impeccable with your words. Don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions and always do your best. Those are the four agreements. Yeah Right, impeccable what does that mean? Usually, people would use words to hammer themselves. Agreements Impeccable what does that mean? Usually, people would use words to hammer themselves Self-judgment, self-criticism. If that's it, they're not being impeccable with their words and they basically use the tools to smash themselves it. You're holding on to the hammer rather than hammer the nails. You hammer yourself and then don't take anything personally, because everybody is struggling with their own life situation and you have to be kind and be loving to watch. And this is what I really love about the example that you gave and being the one that comes from the compassionate place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting, kind of going back to your philosophy of, let's say, looking after yourself, that number one is actually a level of personal discipline and self-care, whether that's exercise or whatever. But then two, it's like really master your mind what mastering? Your mind looks like is not beating the shit out of yourself, but being kind, being understanding and becoming. You're essentially your own best friend.
Speaker 2:For years, I went to the hockey with myself for years like I go to the ski track stage and everything in my head is running like Jamie, you're going to fuck this up, you're going to make a mess here, but working with myself to be like we're going to do this has been huge. And then the care, that idea of being the change that you want to see in the world, rather than getting wrapped up in, perhaps, what it's not, what it's not, rather than obsessing over that, actually just getting in, stuck in and doing something about it it's cool, really cool, daddy.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing your time. Brother, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me and it's been a pleasure, and if anybody wants to connect with you, what's the best way? Ah, instagram. I have a company called Oamoa Valley Properties. If they're interested in investment in properties or they can connect Also the impact leaders. I help leaders, especially business owners, to become a leader that everyone loves. You know everyone also. It's on my instagram called daddy tn um.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can find me there as well cool, and if anybody wants to make a donation, send me a dm. I don't help with that. I'd love that cool. Sorry, an absolute pleasure man, thank you thank you.